[Coral-List] Origin of corals and long-distance larval dispersal (Coral-List Digest, Vol 148, Issue 13)
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Two additional papers of interest on this topic are:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/250274121_Delineating_the_Coral_Triangle
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339650582_Global_distribution_of_coral_diversity_Biodiversity_knowledge_gradients_related_to_spatial_resolution
Tom
On 2020-12-16 15:07, Joanie Kleypas via Coral-List wrote:
> Thanks Curt and others for input on this interesting topic.
>
> In case these haven't been mentioned already, here are a couple of
> additional papers that have reviewed this issue for the Coral Triangle:
>
> Carpenter, K.E., et al., 2011. Comparative phylogeography of the Coral
> Triangle and implications for marine management, J. Mar. Biol. 2011(2),
> 1–14, http://doi.org/10. 1155/2011/396982
>
> Hoeksema, B.W., 2007. Delineation of the Indo-Malayan centre of maximum
> marine biodiversity: the coral triangle. In: Biogeography, Time, and
> Place:
> Distributions, Barriers, and Islands, vol. 29. Springer, Netherlands,
> Dordrecht, pp. 117–178.
>
> It's a fascinating topic
> j
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 2:49 PM Storlazzi, Curt D via Coral-List <
> coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:
>
>> Colleagues,
>>
>> Figuring out the problem of relatively short coral larval settling
>> times
>> limiting large-scale dispersal ("The life times of coral eggs/sperm
>> drifting across the Pacific are much shorter than the time it takes to
>> get
>> there") that is necessary to define biogeographic patterns across the
>> Pacific Ocean was figured out a third of a century ago by a great
>> scientist
>> who took some basic observations and crossed disciplines to prove how
>> it's
>> done....as Paul would have probably said, "they're just lazing around,
>> riding rafts" :^)
>>
>> See:
>> Jokiel, P.L. (1984) "Long distance dispersal of reef corals by
>> rafting"
>> Coral Reefs, v. 3, p. 113-116.
>> Jokiel, P.L. (1989) "Rafting of reef corals and other organisms at
>> Kwajalein Atoll" Marine Biology, v. 101, p. 483–493.
>> Jokiel, P.L. (1990) "Transport of reef corals into the Great Barrier
>> Reef"
>> Nature, v. 347, p. 665–667.
>> Jokiel, P.L. (1990) "Long distance dispersal by rafting: Re-emergence
>> of
>> an old hypothesis" Endeavour, v. 14(2), p. 66-73.
>>
>> This reminds me of the discussion of a few moons ago on Coral List
>> regarding the new paper on the formation of atolls....seems we lose
>> track
>> of - if not just never learned - what has already been done.
>>
>> Curt
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> Curt D. Storlazzi, Ph.D.
>>
>> U.S. Geological Survey
>> Pacific Coastal and Marine Science Center
>> 2885 Mission Street
>> Santa Cruz, CA 95060
>>
>> https://www.usgs.gov/staff-profiles/curt-d-storlazzi
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:27:31 -0500
>> From: Melbourne Briscoe <mel at briscoe.com>
>> To: Douglas Fenner <douglasfennertassi at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Coral-List <Coral-List at coral.aoml.noaa.gov>
>> Subject: Re: [Coral-List] Origin of Corals?
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>> Thanks for this, Doug. I guess no one else wants to weigh in! It also
>> seems
>> like no one wants to apply a little critical thinking to some of those
>> dozen theories. For example, your last paragraph mentions a "vortex
>> theory." If it has been assessed, and discarded, I'm not surprised.
>> The
>> life times of coral eggs/sperm drifting across the Pacific are much
>> shorter
>> than the time it takes to get there. I can only see the abstract, but
>> the
>> methodology is not compelling.
>> - Mel
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 4:39 PM Douglas Fenner <
>> douglasfennertassi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > There are about a dozen theories for the marine biogeographic pattern
>> with
>> > the center of diversity in the Coral Triangle. I'm not up on the current
>> > state of this, so I'll let others speak to it and will be interested in
>> > what they say. However, it just so happens that Science just published
>> an
>> > article that appears to me to be relevant, even though it is about birds
>> > and not corals.
>> >
>> > Diversity hotspots: coldspots of speciation?
>> >
>> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fscience.sciencemag.org%2Fcontent%2F370%2F6522%2F1268&data=04%7C01%7Ccstorlazzi%40usgs.gov%7Cde3be98e9fc84271030008d8a1ee4495%7C0693b5ba4b184d7b9341f32f400a5494%7C0%7C0%7C637437392060524917%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=sUAl3TF7aAckTPDowNiuX4C%2BUTwieU1P8hns1HtWY0Y%3D&reserved=0
>> > <
>> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fscience.sciencemag.org%2Fcontent%2F370%2F6522%2F1268%3Futm_campaign%3Dtoc_sci-mag_2020-12-10%26et_rid%3D17045989%26et_cid%3D3593354&data=04%7C01%7Ccstorlazzi%40usgs.gov%7Cde3be98e9fc84271030008d8a1ee4495%7C0693b5ba4b184d7b9341f32f400a5494%7C0%7C0%7C637437392060524917%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=6PJzgh3Yqs2fwMTUU1LcQ0tbsZdcyyd9ovcrOD1ETQY%3D&reserved=0
>> >
>> >
>> > The evolution of a tropical biodiversity hotspot
>> >
>> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fscience.sciencemag.org%2Fcontent%2F370%2F6522%2F1343&data=04%7C01%7Ccstorlazzi%40usgs.gov%7Cde3be98e9fc84271030008d8a1ee4495%7C0693b5ba4b184d7b9341f32f400a5494%7C0%7C0%7C637437392060534873%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=1vWolDvd5RtqpAueHzojro%2FcqQ2Is1SkgDBtFXR7Ero%3D&reserved=0
>> >
>> > I believe that this is the opposite pattern to have been reported in the
>> > first publication to report the diversity pattern for corals (at the
>> genus
>> > level), Stehli and Wells, 1971. They reported that coral genera in
>> > high-diversity areas were younger than in lower diversity areas.
>> >
>> > Theories of why corals show this pattern have been very difficult to
>> > test. Veron 2000 shows the current map for coral species, genera, and
>> > families, might also be on his website,
>> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.coralsoftheworld.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7Ccstorlazzi%40usgs.gov%7Cde3be98e9fc84271030008d8a1ee4495%7C0693b5ba4b184d7b9341f32f400a5494%7C0%7C0%7C637437392060534873%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=5VmvnfEw8a%2BZ8u%2BV8iOJfvegXwSA9ilY%2FsGHOSynnws%3D&reserved=0
>> Fish
>> > show the same pattern as shown in Figure 14-11 on page 308 in Goldberg's
>> > text on coral reefs, based on data from Gerry Allen. Chuck Birkeland
>> > pointed out that echinoderms show a similar pattern, in his 1989 book
>> > chapter on "The influence of echinoderms on coral-reef communities." He
>> > shows in his Table 1 the data for each class of echinoderms separately,
>> at
>> > 10 locations, a very strong pattern for every class. Take a look at this
>> > chapter, it is an education on echinoderms on reefs.
>> >
>> > One interesting idea was that of the "vortex model", that westward
>> flowing
>> > currents in the Pacific carried newly evolved coral species westward,
>> > causing them to accumulate in the western Pacific area of highest
>> > diversity. Jokeil & Martinelli, 1992. There was also a similar study
>> that
>> > modeled the effect of the large number of islands and reefs concentrated
>> in
>> > the western Pacific vs the very sparse reefs in the eastern Pacific, and
>> > reported that was sufficient to produce the pattern on its own as well.
>> I
>> > never found that publication, does anybody know it?
>> >
>> > Cheers, Doug
>> >
>> > Birkeland 1989. The influence of echinoderms on coral-reef
>> communities.
>> >
>> >
>> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fprofile%2FCharles_Birkeland%2Fpublication%2F284657222_The_influence_of_echinoderms_on_coral-reef_communities%2Flinks%2F56b4c6d308aebbde1a7793c7.pdf&data=04%7C01%7Ccstorlazzi%40usgs.gov%7Cde3be98e9fc84271030008d8a1ee4495%7C0693b5ba4b184d7b9341f32f400a5494%7C0%7C0%7C637437392060534873%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=RnYe2%2BmrHkTgJkmBAwYTfBBs2SZU%2F%2FLNtiigzYzlf%2F8%3D&reserved=0
>> >
>> > Goldberg. 2013. The biology of reefs and reef organisms. Univ
>> > Chicago Press
>> >
>> > Jokiel & Martinelli. 1992. The vortex model of coral reef biogeography.
>> > Journal of Biogeography.
>> >
>> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jstor.org%2Fstable%2Fpdf%2F2845572.pdf&data=04%7C01%7Ccstorlazzi%40usgs.gov%7Cde3be98e9fc84271030008d8a1ee4495%7C0693b5ba4b184d7b9341f32f400a5494%7C0%7C0%7C637437392060534873%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2FJ30eEUjraOT%2Bg5X5%2FbzXD5eLv0EgqCJd41Pw3fJN3Y%3D&reserved=0
>> >
>> > Stehli and Wells. 1971. Diversity and age patterns in hermatypic
>> > corals.
>> >
>> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fciteseerx.ist.psu.edu%2Fviewdoc%2Fdownload&data=04%7C01%7Ccstorlazzi%40usgs.gov%7Cde3be98e9fc84271030008d8a1ee4495%7C0693b5ba4b184d7b9341f32f400a5494%7C0%7C0%7C637437392060534873%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=QPLyZ7TEGZ2%2BP7sR%2BnmyaELh7An7bM70BBlVUFXtDSg%3D&reserved=0
>> >
>> > On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 6:44 AM Melbourne Briscoe via Coral-List <
>> > coral-list at coral.aoml.noaa.gov> wrote:
>> >
>> >> What is the currently accepted theory for the global distribution of
>> >> corals?
>> >> Is it still the "spreading from the epicenter in the Coral Triangle" as
>> I
>> >> learned many years ago or is there a more accepted idea today?
>> >> thanks -
>> >> - Mel Briscoe
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